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Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov> Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 3:56 PM
To: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>
Hi Tom,
I there any code review or other justification for the loss of a toilet?
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
Assistant Building Commissioner
City of Northampton
Town of Williamsburg
Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com> Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 6:13 PM
To: Chuck Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Cc: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>
Hi Chuck,
Tom and I would like to sit with you on Monday morning at 10am to discuss the loss of a toilet and the
Massachusetts Architectural Access Board ruling that required Thornes to create an accessible stall in the
Women's toilet at Level L1.
Might you be available that day and time to meet?
I've attached a copy of the MAAB Final Decisions for variances requested, for your information.
Thanks,
Steve
Stephen Flickenschild, R.A. NCARB
THOMAS DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS, INC.
196 Pleasant Street, Suite 2021 Northampton, Massachusetts 010601 413.585.0641
http://www.tdouglasarchitects.corn
stephen @tdou g lasa rch itects.com
On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Torn Douglas<douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com> wrote:
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From: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Subject: 150 Main Street L1 Bathrooms
Date: March 2, 2017 at 3:56:04 PM EST
To: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>
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Hi Torn,
I there any code review or other justification for the loss of a toilet?
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
Assistant Building Commissioner
City of Northampton
Town of Williamsburg
Thames Marketplace AAB Final Decisions 2015 v2.pdf
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Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov> Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:30 AM
To: Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com>
Cc: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>, Louis Hasbrouck<Ihasbrouck@northamptonma.gov>, Larry
Eldridge<leldridge@northamptonma.gov>
Hi,
I'd be happy to meet, however I understand the work you've completed with the AAB on the accessibility piece.
What we need is verification of the building fixture count and total occupancy so we can verify the fixture count
meets plumbing code requirements.
I spoke with Larry Eldridge, plumbing inspector, and we concluded that you will need to evaluate the number of
public fixtures and occupancy, less employees that are covered by employee only bathrooms.
Larry has stated that the overall building can be viewed in it entirety and does not need to be calculated by floor.
This will help set a path to assure the fixture count will meet plumbing code requirements and allow forward
planning if adjustments are required. It may also be possible to seek relief from the plumbing board?
Thanks for your cooperation on this issue,
Chuck Miller
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Stephen Flickenschild, R.A. NCARB
THOMAS DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS, INC.
196 Pleasant Street, Suite 202 1 Northampton, Massachusetts 01060 1 413.585.0641
httpl/www.tdouglasarchitects.com
stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com
On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>wrote:
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Subject: 150 Main Street L1 Bathrooms
Date: March 2, 2017 at 3:56:04 PM EST
To: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>
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Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com> Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM
To: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Cc: Torn Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>, Louis Hasbrouck<lhasbrouck@northamptonma.gov>, Larry
Eldridge <leldridge@northamptonma.gov>
Hi Chuck,
Just wanted to follow up our phonecon with an email. Per our conversation, we've cancelled our meeting on
Monday based on the following:
We determined Thornes to be identified by the plumbing code as a Mall (Covered) rather than Retail (Mercantile)
with regards to fixture counts. Though they are identified as the same Use Group, Mall (Covered) sets the toilet
fixture count for females at 1 per 750 whereas Retail (Mercantile) is 1 per 20. As Thornes is one building with
multiple leased tenants, it would be considered a covered mall, much like other malls in America, while Retail
(Mercantile) is generally one proprietor per building.
The following screen image defines Covered Mall Bulding as is taken from Chapter 4 of the 2009 IBC:
COVERED MALL BUILDING.A single building enclosing
a number of tenants and occupants,such as retail stores,drink-
ing and dining establishments, entertainment and amusement
facilities,passenger transportation terminals,offices and other
similar uses wherein two or more tenants have a main entrance
into one or more malls.For the purpose of this chapter,anchor
buildings shall not be considered as a part of the covered mall
building.The term"covered mall building"shall include open
mall buildings as defined below.
Mall.A roofed or covered common pedestrian area within a
covered mall building that serves as access for two or more
tenants and not to exceed three levels that are open to each
other.The term"mall"shall include open malls as defined
below.
Thanks again,
Steve
Stephen Flickenschild, R.A. NCARB
stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com
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Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov> Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com>
Cc: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>, Louis Hasbrouck clhasbrouck@northamptonma.gov>, Larry
Eldridge <leldridge@northamptonma.gov>
Hi Steve,
I believe the definition fits the building. Larry is out of the office until Monday AM at which time I will speak to him
concerning this. I expect you will take a look at the occupancy and number of fixtures so we will have this clearly
documented.
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
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Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com> Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:07 PM
To: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Cc: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>, Louis Hasbrouck<Ihasbrouck@northamptonma.gov>, Larry
Eldridge <leldridge@northamptonma.gov>
Hi Chuck,
Here's the breakdown on the Thornes fixture counts and occupancy based on the plumbing code 521 CMR.
Requirements per Section 10.10(18)Table 1, Malls (covered):
• Lavatory count per each sex: 1 per 2,000
• Toilet fixture count for females: 1 per 750
Existing public lavatories for females(not including Unisex bathrooms):
• 4 total (One each at Levels L1, 1, &2)-to comply with 8,000 females.
Existing public toilet fixture counts for females:
• 7 toilets(1 at Level L2, 3 at Level L1, 1 at Level 1, 2 at Level 2)-to comply with 5,250 females.
Proposed public toilet fixture counts for females:
• 6 toilets(1 at Level L2, 2 at Level L1, 1 at Level 1, 2 at Level 2)-to comply with an occupancy of 4,500
females.
The total gross square footage of Thornes is:
1.Ground fl 1Q720
2. Lower level 16,582
3. 1st fl 16,440
4.2nd fl 16,522
5.3rd fl 16522
Total 76,786
Based on a worst case scenario(Mercantile)for the entire building per IBC 2009 Table 1004.1.1:
• Mercantile at 30 gross sq.ft. per occupant= 2,560 occupants
• 50% female occupancy= 1,280 female occupants<4,500 females.
• Required toilet fixtures for females: 1280/750 = 2
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Therefore, given a worst case scenario for Malls(covered), the 6 proposed public toilet fixtures satisfies the
plumbing code requirements.
Please let us know if you have any questions pertaining to the breakdown.
Thanks,
Steve
Stephen Flickenschild, R.A. NCARB
step hen@tdou g lasarchitects.corn
On Mar 3, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>wrote:
Hi Steve,
I believe the definition fits the building. Larry is out of the office until Monday AM at which time I will speak to
him concerning this. I expect you will take a look at the occupancy and number of fixtures so we will have this
clearly documented.
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
On Fri, Mar 3. 2017 at 3:19 PM, Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com>wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Just wanted to follow up our phonecon with an email. Per our conversation, we've cancelled our meeting on
Monday based on the following:
We determined Thornes to be identified by the plumbing code as a Mall (Covered) rather than Retail
(Mercantile)with regards to fixture counts. Though they are identified as the same Use Group, Mall
(Covered) sets the toilet fixture count for females at 1 per 750 whereas Retail (Mercantile) is 1 per 20. As
Thornes is one building with multiple leased tenants, it would be considered a covered mall, much like other
malls in America,while Retail (Mercantile) is generally one proprietor per building.
The following screen image defines Covered Mall Bulding as is taken from Chapter 4 of the 2009 IBC:
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Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov> Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM
To: Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com>
Cc: Tom Douglas <douglas@tdouglasarchitects.com>, Louis Hasbrouck<Ihasbrouck@northamptonma.gov>, Larry
Eldridge <leldridge@northamptonma.gov>
Hi Stephen,
Thanks you for your work on this, it is very helpful and clarifies issues for future renovation at 150 Main St.
Chuck Miller
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Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com> Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:45 PM
To: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
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Hi Chuck,
Thanks for your review. Did Larry get a chance to look over this to see if he had any questions?
Thanks again,
Steve
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Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov> Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:09 PM
To: Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com>
I'll speak with Larry tomorrow and make sure he is OK with the evaluation.
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
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Stephen Flickenschild <stephen@tdouglasarchitects.com> Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 10:50 AM
To: Charles Miller<cmiller@northamptonma.gov>
Good Morning Chuck!
Did you get a chance to speak with Larry about the toilet fixture counts?
Thanks,
Steve
Stephen Flickenschild, RA. NCARB
stephen @tdo ug I asa rch itects.cod'
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